{"id":5384,"date":"2017-12-15T16:21:59","date_gmt":"2017-12-16T00:21:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/?p=5384"},"modified":"2017-12-15T16:27:19","modified_gmt":"2017-12-16T00:27:19","slug":"december-15","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/?p=5384","title":{"rendered":"December 15"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<p><strong>2017 December 15<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/strong>Jochen Moehr writes from Metchosin:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; After a few nights of nothing but one or two <strong>Winter Moths<\/strong> (probably  <strong><em>O. brumata<\/em><\/strong>), I finally had visits from two other moths, one outside my window (of which I did not get pictures) and one inside, of which I include several pictures.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; I looked through my collection of pictures and wonder whether it might be&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em><strong>Triphosa haesitata&nbsp;<\/strong><\/em><strong>American Tissue Moth&nbsp;(Lep.: Geometridae)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeremy Tatum writes:&nbsp; Ah!&nbsp;&nbsp; This perpetual problem &#8211; is it <em>Triphosa haesitata<\/em>, or is it  <em>Coryphista meadii<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; In <em>meadii<\/em>, the fourth tooth on the outer margin of the hindwing is shorter than its neighbours.&nbsp; Also,  <em>meadii<\/em> has a dark discal spot;&nbsp; <em>haesitata<\/em> doesn&#8217;t.&nbsp; You can see that Jochen&#8217;s moth has a small fourth tooth, and it has a discal spot, both pointing to  <em>meadii<\/em>. However, the fourth tooth is only very slightly smaller than its neighbours, and the discal spot is very tiny.&nbsp; Are they enough to clinch it as  <em>meadii<\/em>?&nbsp; Maybe not.&nbsp; At this time of year, I think <em>haesitata <\/em>is much more likely.&nbsp; What other differences might there be?&nbsp; The wingtip of  <em>meadii <\/em>is sometimes slightly pointy, even slightly falcate, whereas <em>  haesitata <\/em>has a blunter<em> <\/em>wingtip<em>. <\/em>&nbsp;Unfortunately the right wingtip of this moth is missing &#8211; though the left wingtip looks rather blunt to me.&nbsp; In spite of the difficulties, I&#8217;m pretty sure (close to 100 percent certainty) that Jochen   is correct, and it is <strong><em>Triphosa haesitata<\/em><\/strong><strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/strong>Some viewers may wonder:&nbsp; If these moths are so difficult to distinguish one from the other, are they really different species?&nbsp; I often wonder about this myself about pairs of very similar moths.&nbsp; However, in the case of these two species,   the caterpillars are entirely different and there is no doubt at all that they are genuinely different species.&nbsp; The caterpillars are specialist feeders &#8211;  <em>haesitata <\/em>feeds on <em>Frangula<\/em>, and <em>meadii<\/em> on <em>Mahonia<\/em> and the related  <em>Berberis<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/strong>I hope viewers will continue to send in photographs of both of these species.&nbsp; After a time we&#8217;ll all get so used to them that we&#8217;ll all be able to them apart at a glance!&nbsp; I&#8217;m not there yet!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>  <img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 5px;\" class=\"\" alt=\"\" src=\"file:\/\/\/F:\/DOCUME%7E1\/tatum\/LOCALS%7E1\/Temp\/msohtml1\/01\/clip_image002.jpg\">  <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" originalheight=\"674\" originalwidth=\"1200\" name=\"\" title=\"Tissue.JPG\" height=\"382.3826666666666\" width=\"680.8\" src=\"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/Tissue.jpg\">  <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">American Tissue Moth <em>Triphosa haesitata <\/em>(Lep.: Geometridae)&nbsp; Jochen Moehr<\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/strong>Jochen also sends a photograph of a <strong>winter moth <\/strong>  &#8211; another difficult problem.&nbsp; Is it the European <em>Operophtera brumata<\/em> or the native  <em>O. bruceata<\/em>?&nbsp; I am leaning towards <strong><em>bruceata<\/em><\/strong><strong>.<\/strong><strong>&nbsp;  <\/strong>Not 100 percent sure, but maybe 80 percent?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>  <img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 5px;\" class=\"\" alt=\"\" src=\"file:\/\/\/F:\/DOCUME%7E1\/tatum\/LOCALS%7E1\/Temp\/msohtml1\/01\/clip_image004.jpg\">  <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">  <em><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" originalheight=\"749\" originalwidth=\"1200\" name=\"\" title=\"Bruce.JPG\" height=\"424.9326666666666\" width=\"680.8\" src=\"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/Bruce-1.jpg\"><br \/>  <em><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>Operophtera <\/em>(probably <em>bruceata<\/em>) (Lep,: Geometridae)&nbsp; Jochen Moehr<\/p>\n<p>  <\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>2017 December 15 &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Jochen Moehr writes from Metchosin: &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; After a few nights of nothing but one or two Winter Moths (probably O. brumata), I finally had visits from two other moths, one outside my window (of which I did not get pictures) and one inside, of which I include several pictures.&nbsp;&nbsp; [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5384","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-invertebrate-alert"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5384","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5384"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5384\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5384"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5384"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.vicnhs.bc.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5384"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}